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Hi, everyone. I'm Boyd Nash Stacy.
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I'm a senior economist at Board, and I'm here to present
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the May 2026 macroeconomic outlook.
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Today, we're going to be talking about recessions, but before we dive into the
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content, I want to set the stage and really focus on consumer
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sentiment,
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which has gotten a lot of focus recently,
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and mostly from the negative perspective.
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So consumer sentiment is near all-time lows,
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which is also now being driven down further by the rise in oil
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prices due to the closing of the Strait of Hormuz.
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So a lot of the concerns are that is
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consumer sentiment
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an early signal or the canary in the proverbial coal mine for a
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recession, or is this noise? Because when we look at other indicators,
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like the number of persons unemployed per job opening,
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things are actually not looking that bad.
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But then there's also some other questions out there in terms of how immigration
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policy is going to impact labor supply, and what will be the short and
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long-term effects of federal cost-cutting.
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But ultimately, consumer sentiment can be volatile and ebb when the
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economy is flowing. So let's dive into the prospects for recession, something
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top of mind for many business leaders.
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So through some quantitative methods, we found that there's three
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essential factors in predicting economic recessions.
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And let me take a step back and explain what a recession is.
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So typically, recessions are
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declared by the national NBER, and
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what they
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base this usually on is two consecutive quarters of negative
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GDP growth. So typically, when we think about recessions, the focus is
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on gross domestic product growth.
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And what we found is there's three essential factors.
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And when we say essential, we want something that's good at both predicting
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recessions, but then also is good at not falsely
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predicting recessions or having false positive.
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In essence, predicting recession when there's no recession to come.
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And the three factors that we identified are the yield curve spread.
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In this case, it's the 10-year yield on a US Treasury
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security divided by or subtracted from the six month.
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And this spread has been a very strong predictor of recessions
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throughout history, as you can see on the chart on the far left-hand side.
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In the middle, which is a good representation of household balance sheets, is
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the interest expense as a share of disposable income.
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Again, as households get pressured in terms of credit
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or the
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stock of credit on their balance sheets,
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this can lead to pullbacks in consumption of
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discretionary goods, which tends to drive recessions.
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So again, this is another strong indicator of
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recessions in the next 12 to 24 months.
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And the last one, which really speaks to consumers' kind of net worth,
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is cyclically adjusted price to earnings.
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This is really just a representation of equity markets that's
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normalized over time. So it makes it easier to compare
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periods, let's say 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago to the
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equity markets of today.
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So when we put it all together, we can see that currently
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the risk of recession over the next 12 to 24 months is only
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12%. And so when we think about in the context of the average,
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this is really about average, meaning the economy is not too hot or too cold or
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really on the precipice of tipping into recession.
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To give a little more perspective in terms of where we are, if we look back to
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2022 and 2023, we're about 80% below those
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levels. And so, just to give you some context for the economic environment at that
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point,
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that was characterized mainly by the Ukraine-Russia
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conflict and the pressures on the supply chains, but also in a tightening
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cycle at the Federal Reserve, where we saw interest rates rise from around
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0% to 5% in little over 12 months. So
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again, acute economic pressures at that period of time where we're not in that
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scenario today.
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But one other important thing that I want to highlight with recessions
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is not all recessions are created equally, nor do they
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impact
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individuals, industries, or geographies equally.
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So if you look at the right-hand side, it gives us some perspective on how
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consumption can vary within a recession in terms of which
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segments are more or less impacted, and then over different business
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cycles. So for example, in 2008, the global financial
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crisis versus the pandemic. And you can
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see the pandemic in obvious and maybe a good example would be
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gasoline consumption, right? Obviously, with the lockdowns being put in
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place in most of the country, obviously, this was the category that was most
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impacted during that period of time.
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Conversely, if you look at other
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slowdowns or recessions, we can see that what we call
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the lumpier or the bigger purchases, like autos, can be the most
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impacted during those periods of time.
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But another lens to look at recessions is to look
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across geographies.
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So if you look at a distinct group of large and
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economically diverse states, we can kind of get a sense of
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how these economies have fared over
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different business cycles.
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So for example, if we look in the 1980s, one of the main
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features of the US economy was the kind of
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the ebbing away from manufacturing and the struggles that
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were being kind of beginning to surface in the Rust Belt
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area. And you can see Ohio, in this case, was the most negatively impacted.
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So high oil prices, you have headwinds beyond
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just energy inputs within the sector.
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You can see that state suffered the most.Conversely,
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states like Texas and Florida, which not only were less
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exposed from an industry perspective, but also were
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benefiting from
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the population trends over that period of time, with many people
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moving to the Sun Belt region, were able to actually grow during that
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recession. So not all economies are in recession at the same time.
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If we fast-forward to 2001 and the dot-com recession,
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you can see that New York being a financial hub and then California being the home
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to many of those companies associated with the dot-com
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boom and bust, were the ones that were the most negatively impacted.
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And then finally, if we think about the 2008 global financial crisis, this
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mainly being a housing
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crisis kind of focused in the Sun Belt region, you can see
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Arizona, Florida being really the areas most
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negatively impacted, as well as New York being the financial capital
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again, and it being a financial shock.
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So again, outcomes can vary widely when we're thinking about the
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state impact. But to finish up, let's take a look at
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how states are faring today.
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And really the good news is that when we look at state-by-state GDP
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growth, in this case, this is the fourth quarter of 2015, the last available
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data point.
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The majority of states, and including the
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DC region, are growing. In fact, 49 out of the
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51, if we include DC, are actually experiencing positive
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GDP growth. So again, no early signs of weaknesses across these
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states. What is interesting, though, is that the two areas that
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are contracting in terms of GDP growth, DC
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area and Maryland, are likely associated with some of the
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federal shutdowns that occurred in the latter part of the year, as well as some of
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the broader efforts to reduce the federal workforce.
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So, I think the important takeaway here is that
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even though we are seeing some economic pain in the region, they're not
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symptoms that we would expect to spread to the broader economy.
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And so when we're thinking kind of where we are and where we're headed,
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although consumer sentiment has been weak, the current
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economic foundations are quite stable when we look at it from a regional
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perspective. So in this case, it might be a little bit of
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early signaling from consumer sentiment and not really fundamental to the
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prospects for the US economy going forward.
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Thanks for taking the time for listening to the May Economic Outlook.
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My name is Boyd Nash Stacy. Thanks again.